Other party members being far away from the leader does not affect their participation i… Lightning realizes that in order to have Serah back (into the new world), she must stop Bhunivelze plans, change Vanille's mind and send the souls to the Ark instead of "cleansing" them as the Order preaches, and obviously, she will have to face Bhunivelze wrath once she betrays him. I really want Fang/Vanille to be a canonical romantic relationship too. No exaggeration. User Info: jinzuu. That, or I simply forgive it all its shortcomings because I've been pining for lesbians in canon for so long. Plot Twist: All trilogy is a prequel for our universe! Souls of the dead can't move unto new world, souls of … As a reward for completing your Focus, the l'Cie is granted eternal life and a crystal form. I honestly hated this game when I … L'Cie are the most devout humans who will do whatever these “false Gods” want, even though they don't even have much of a clue what is it they want – and if they think they failed (keyword: their feelings, not something the fal'Cie do), they spiral into despair and go wild and violent – a Cie'th – or are granted eternal respite – which doesn't exist, so they turn into crystal. Most of the original lore is right, with some minor (extremely important) details. While the Sanctum fal'Cie don't really have much of a need for l'Cie, since they fostered humans into an advanced civilization with technology and weapons, the Pulse fal'Cie and their rather primitive humans in Pulse, without any technology to fight, required power: the Pulse fal'Cie start creating l'Cie with the goal (Focus) of destroying Cocoon however possible. About the author. Also, a new character from a new "dimension", Noel, meets Lightning in a world called Valhalla, and gets from her the mission to help Serah "save the world". Kroguys 10 years ago #2 *****Spoiler***** The ending is confusing to me also. It's hard to connect with the characters. Ha, thanks for this page - I'm twenty minutes into the sequel and I'm not lost as to what's going on that I thought I must have forgotten huge parts of the ending to this game. (Unsurprising, I suppose, since it's an echo of losing his Mom). Without any way to know who have already been turned into l'Cie or not, the Sanctum government decide to completely purge the neighborhood of Bohdum, sending them to the hellish wild that is the surface world of Pulse. As Sanctum fal'Cie and l'Cie are themselves incapable of harming Orphan, Barthandelus requires the assistance of Pulse l'Cie. Most of the game consisted of the time travel stuff and anything weird or nonsensical that happened was just accepted as a paradox. One can only hope. Centuries before the start of the main plot, the Pulsian l'Cie were able to amass a human army (and l'Cies) strong enough to break the Cocoon defenses in what was known as the Transgresion War. He awakens Lightning and gives her 13 days to save as many souls as she can (not killing them, but rather making them fulfilled in this life), offering to bring back Serah if she succeeds. Vanille refuses, saying she won't give up a fight. I beat the game 20 minutes ago and needed an explanation ASAP. - excerpt from FXIII-3 Lightning returns, which is the most complete lore on the FXIII universe. The fal'Cie never really had any power on their fate, it was only “smoke and mirrors”, manipulation, making people despair. Everyone was smiling and laughing. February 2015 (updated January 2019) As with most Japanese (or rather, oriental culture) works, most of the lore and plot in Final Fantasy is very subtle, and sometimes never outright explained. The final scenes of Final Fantasy 7 Remake may have left you scratching your head. It's flawed. They are dead, the ending is merely a depiction of their "afterlifes", there's also theory of an alternate universe etc, but for now, lets just take it as they are dead and there is nothing to imply otherwise. Lightning convinces Vanille to save the souls, much to Bhunivelze dismay. She contacts one of Yeul's protectors, Noel, and gives him the mission to contact Serah, the only person who still remembers Lightning, and travel through time fixing the paradoxes and, if possible, preventing the new doom that is predicted: the fall of Cocoon as the Crystal pillar collapses. In fact the ending poses so many more questions it makes the idea of DLC solving everything seem like a pipedream. They are saved by Snow and Fang and the l'Cie are separated in the chaos with Lightning and Fang in one group and Snow … Since fal'Cie cannot harm fal'Cie, he is trying to get a l'Cie to turn into Ragnarok (which I guess to be a sort of Eidolon, but who knows) and destroy Cocoon for him. Lightning also learns from Yeul and Vanille that the chaos is nothing short of a manifestation of the departed souls (that is why we have a surge on chaos at the end of the first game and second games - a lot of people died at those events). If you either did not start the game, or you did (or even finished) but needs some light on the basic lore, you came to the right place. Serah never knew a thing, she was long dead and away from anyone's reach (as she died when she had her last vision in the second game), even God! The fal'Cie eventually disagreed among themselves on how to handle humans: some wanted to let them wild and free (and not care), while others wanted to help and foster them into an advanced civilization. These additional endings offer alternative histories in the timeline. Share: Tags: Final Fantasy XIII-2. Essentially, it's in Eden's womb. Just as Final Fantasy X played around with dreams, death, and spirals, this game plays around with hope/despair, prophecies, promises and fate. Pulse, Lindzei and Etro (which just so you know is the goddess of death and chaos, presiding over the souls and ensuring they are reborn) are only important on the second game, and Bhunivelze on the last. All three should have over 10K hit points. The people depended on them for survival and worshiped them as gods. I think I've got it all untangled now, so let me share with you the gist. I still love it despite its glaring flaws, but it certainly is NOT the best-put-together game of the series. That may also have contributed to the feeling of "wait...what am I missing?". At the time that Lightning took Etro's place, people could no longer be born, and so those alive also stopped aging. In both cases, they have eternal life, except one an abomination (that might eventually lose all will and become stone), or a crystal. Ever since, the population of Sanctum is afraid of when the evil Pulse l'Cie might be back again, and a special branch of Cocoon army is tasked with locating and ridding of Pulse l'Cie as soon as possible before they grow in numbers or do any damage – the PSICORPS. When Fang mentions the "second time," I think she's talking a previous scene in which she fell out with the party, closely parallel in staging to this one: back on the Ark, everyone decided they'd defy fal'Cie orders, save Cocoon and refuse to destroy it, and Fang said she'd go on alone. But one could still die from accidents or murder/monster attacks, so the number of people kept reducing, while chaos also kept flooding and destroying the world (more dead with nowhere to go). auronlu (author) from Spira on November 08, 2012: The Cocoon Fal Cie seem to have died. Categories: Features, Let's Talk, News, PS3 News, Shows, Videos, Xbox 360 News. Thanks to your text, I could sleep safe and sound after finishing the game. At which point something makes Orphan explode. The rest of the fal'Cie just keep Cocoon working: some provide light, other food, or energy and so on. It's too linear. The more party members the player has, the more ending sequences they get and the content of … auronlu (author) from Spira on March 22, 2013: @DesignSpace: Yeah, FFXIII's pacing and storytelling skills were a little slipshod. First, the basics, from FXIII texts: Almighty Bhunivelze created three gods for his world: Etro, Pulse, and Lindzei. At … The Serah Lightning sees, believing to be a "preview" from Bhunivelze to do her work, is a fake. Why do they fight Orphan, which they were trying to save from the Cavalry? What happened in Final Fantasy XIII? Alright, finished this quite late a few days and have some questions about the ending. While Lightning do stop Caius, Serah has a last vision nonetheless and perishes. Sure enough, when Orphan is destroyed, Cocoon loses power and starts to fall out of the sky. A mindless abomination full of hatred and violence (in fact, the original Japanese name is "chigau",which means "different" or, in this context, "abomination"). But for some reason, I still loved playing. Its better than that snow and serah "seggs" topic. A normal l'Cie don't have enough power to kill a fal'Cie (as we can see at the game ending, a party can), but one with enough hatred and power can become a creature known as “Ragnarok”, and fight in par with a fal'Cie. Disley is Bartolomeus fal'Cie, the mastermind of all this ruse, and believes that with his and Orphan fal'Cie death, Cocoon would be doomed and the slaughterer would bring back God and "return them to their glory". Final Fantasy XIII - complete lore and ending (spoilers), III. Hope's relationship with his father is strained and he feels Lightning is abandoning him, but she assures him she won't. Fang saves her adopted family, as she promised, although she comes near to screwing it up. The characters eventually will get together and have problems and goals of their own, all connected to the recently discovered Pulse fal'Cie in Bohdum. SPOILER ALARM: This thread will discuss the whole story line + paradox ending + After Fragments Novel To be honest, time travelling concept is always hard … P.S. In contrast, both Pulse and Lindzei were granted near limitless power, and they build the fal'Cie, servants that possess supernatural powers. I therefore take it that this three-part being is really Eden/Menrva, Orphan-the-child, and Barthandalus. You know, I'm thinking, didn't really make sense of course. You will also find some information on Final Fantasy XIII-2 and Lightning Returns to get the complete lore, also separated by non-spoiler and spoiler (And yes, the games should be played in order to prevent spoiler - don't worry, the first game is by far the longest and grindy). Final Fantasy 7 Remake's confusing ending explained. Barthandelus desires only that the l'Cie complete their Focus, which he explained to be transforming into the beast Ragnarok in order to destroy Orphan and all of Cocoon.". Celes, Edgar and Setzer are the only mandatory members and Terra will appear after the battle to take part in the ending, regardless of whether she was recruited. Final Fantasy XIII Lore and ending explained. Since fal'Cie cannot fight among each other, they decided to segregate: The ones who wanted to help humans, called the Sanctum fal'Cie, created the floating world of Cocoon above the planet. But at any rate, the visuals are very similar, and I think Fang and Vanille pulled off the same stunt. did all of the coccon fal cie die as well as the pulse fal cie or just the ones on coccoon? When Final Fantasy VII arrived in 1997, it was unlike anything I’d ever played before. As with most Japanese (or rather, oriental culture) works, most of the lore and plot in Final Fantasy is very subtle, and sometimes never outright explained. Same side. Thank you for clarifying, confirming and extending what I saw. The only one in … Even Light. In recent games though every character knows what is going on but me. For some reason everyone forgot Lightning, which creates a paradox because she is the one who saved the world. I. The entire … Some players interpret it that Vanille's own force of will caused it to fall, but I think in fact it was Lightning and Sazh shooting Orphan. I am an avid video game player, and the "Final Fantasy" series is one of my all-time favorites. Comments: Orphan is stuck its its own pocket dimension, "Orphan's Cradle," where it powers all of Cocoon. It feels like the whole story has been a huge troll attempt by developers. Both of them have guns drawn when the camera swings their way. Once the party has been lured to Edenhall, Barthandalus transforms the Cavalry members l'Cie with no Focus, and they turn to Cie'th on the spot. During an interview in the Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII Ultimania, Director Motomu Toriyamastated he did not have a solid idea about what the new world should look like, and requested his design staff to draw inspiration from "anywhere in Southern Europe", and to have Lightning appear in ordinary clothes. She tells him to end Operation Nora and talk with his dad. Final Fantasy XIII-2 ends with the words "to be continued," seemingly hinting at the possibility of Final Fantasy XIII-3. Yeul can see this end, but it only creates more and more paradoxes: she wants to be saved, but she doesn't want it to mean the end of the world. So Caius goes after Etro in Valhalla some 400 years after the events of FFXXIII, backed by his immortality and amazing powers from Yeul. So they create Cocoon to nurture a big civilization – only to eventually kill them all and get God's (Bhunivelze) attention. Game director Motomu Toriyama explained at a Final Fantasy XIII-2 event at the Taipei Game Show 2012 that the ending doesn't necessarily guarantee a sequel. (I may have the wording wrong.) They don't know if it were all a trick to get Fang into Ragnarok or they really became Cie'th, but they remember being “trapped” in despair until they saw hope and a future – so, yes, they became Cie'th. They're gambling that they'll find some way to save Cocoon even if they take out the corrupt fal'Cie powering it, and they attack on faith. You can get the Then they attack Orphan again, and again one must ask: hey, wait, didn't they come to save Orphan? In fact, you're just getting started at that point. It's not entirely clear whether that was Anima's doing, to preserve its newly-recruited l'Cie, or whether (as I think) it was Serah's doing. Barthandalus' hope is that the sacrifice of millions of lives will prod the Maker to return and check on Her creation.